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1963 SG (Les Paul) Standard - with Repro PAFs and PAF sticker??

Pavedog

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I was offered this 63 Les Paul, it has been refinished, a neck reset, several of the parts are reproduction parts. The pickups are odd as I have not seen reproductions that put the PAF stickers on them? I believe the bridge and tuners are reproductions, although he claims the Klusons are real, along with the plastics. The pots date to 61. According to the person that owns it he has had it for 15 years and the refinish was done before he owned it. Not sure how to value this one as the refinish is not great either.

Any thoughts on what is worth, or if it is worth buying?

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Hiwatts-n-Gibsons

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I was offered this 63 Les Paul, it has been refinished, a neck reset, several of the parts are reproduction parts. The pickups are odd as I have not seen reproductions that put the PAF stickers on them? I believe the bridge and tuners are reproductions, although he claims the Klusons are real, along with the plastics. The pots date to 61. According to the person that owns it he has had it for 15 years and the refinish was done before he owned it. Not sure how to value this one as the refinish is not great either.

Any thoughts on what is worth, or if it is worth buying?

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Can you play it before purchasing it? If so and you like it, then offer him the going rate for a modified and repaired '60s SG. I don't think I would offer more than $1500 for it myself, and I would have to really really love it to do so. Tbt I know I can find plenty of gorgeous lightly used newer SG's that sound fantastic, have not had neck resets, or been refinished.
 

Pavedog

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Can you play it before purchasing it? If so and you like it, then offer him the going rate for a modified and repaired '60s SG. I don't think I would offer more than $1500 for it myself, and I would have to really really love it to do so. Tbt I know I can find plenty of gorgeous lightly used newer SG's that sound fantastic, have not had neck resets, or been refinished.
I'm going to let this one go. He isn't responding. If he does I will go see it to see if I can get the real story. Not much value in the wood.
 

Wilko

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The pots date to '63. What makes you say '61?

Anyway, all the gibson PAF reissues since the late 80s have the PAF decals.

The single-line double-ring tuners look right, but the bushings are wrong.

As mentioned, it was a JR converted to standard. that means the logo and inlays are not original. A standard would have binding.
 

Frutiger

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What makes people think it was a Junior?

I don't see the plugged stud holes it should have and Juniors have a different control cavity - this cavity looks factory to me with cherry red paint inside it. There should also be extra screw holes in the back of the headstock for the strip tuners. It should also have white side dots if a factory unbound neck, the dots on this one look home brewed. You'd also be able to see the plugs from the dots at the 12th fret if this is a converted Junior.

Looks like a badly refined standard that someone removed the neck binding on to me, not a Junior.
 

Wilko

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are you saying someone can just take the binding off?

Any mod can be made. maybe it's a standard. Maybe not. It's too late to be a "Les Paul" SG...
 

garywright

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fwiw, I believe that starting in the late 60s all the routed body cavities were large and similar..including the control ( sans switch / two pot holes for the junior …the under batguard swimming pools 🛝 were routed the same be it junior or custom sans ladder
 

herbie74w

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It’s a weird one. It doesn’t appear that there was plate tuners like a jr. But the pickup cavities don’t look factory. If it was a special it would have neck binding. Strange
 
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