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Jimmy Page and Hiwatt…. TIME TO SPILL THE BEANS!!!

Ed A

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OK, this is a project that has been in the making for months. A ton of research and time went into this one…. Its time to debut what I believe is the first ever copy of Jimmy Page's Custom Hiwatt 100!!!.... Before I say another word, let me just get it out there that this is my personal amp and its not for sale and wont be sold by me, not only because I don’t want to but because having the Hiwatt name on it is for my use only and not for resale. Don’t want to screw myself!!!.... Apologies that this post will be so long, but Eric and I have been dying to share all this info with Page fans and it needs to be thorough. Thanks to Eric (Albion) for building this beauty for me!….


MY NEW AMP...
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BUT… before we get into this amp, a little history is in order which I think many (including hard-core Page fans) will find VERY SURPRISING!!...... Below is a picture of Jimmy Page’s ACTUAL 100w Hiwatt (one of two) that he used at the Royal Albert Hall in 1970. It showed up at a well known repair shop a few years ago for service.


PAGE'S ACTUAL AMP...
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PAGE DIDN'T JUST USE HIS HIWATT FOR A COUPLE GIGS, HE USED IT LIVE FROM AUGUST '69 TO NOVEMBER '71!!!
When you think of Jimmy Page live, you think of Marshall. Well guess what, for over two years and a ton of Zep gigs, THE amp primarily used by Jimmy Page live was Hiwatt, NOT Marshall! Ive know for some time now that Page used his custom made Hiwatt in early ’70. But I was surprised to find that it was his amp of choice going back to mid ’69 and all the way to the end of ‘71! And two years is a long time in the early days of Zep… That whole early period has some of my favorite all time Page tones. The newly broadcast Paris ’69 has some killer tone, and probably one of my favorite live tones ever is Montreaux, March ’70. I also love the tone in late ’70 (the Blueberry Hill tour) as well as throughout ’71. You can hear variations in his tone during that period most likely due to whether he had a pedal kicked on or not (he still occasionally used the tonebender)…. But the constant throughout is the Hiwatt!


CHECK OUT THESE PIX, (look closely) THEY'RE ALL WITH HIS CUSTOM MADE HIWATT!!!
They'll take you through the years... Check out the 8-70 shot, thats the Hiwatt footswitch he's stepping on!... And you can really see his name clearly in the 4/71 shot...
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Notice that beginning with the August ’69 picture, Jimmy’s standard setup was two Marshall stacks (no heads on top) and the two Jimmy Page Hiwatts on a table next to the stacks. He used this setup right through all of 1970 including September (the Blueberry Hill tour!). In only one of these pix (early ’71) do you even see a Marshall at all which was being daisy chained with the Hiwatt. Even by December ’71 he was still using the two Hiwatts although by that time the table is gone. Even though you cant make out the Jimmy Page name on the face panel in all pix, you can tell that it is indeed his custom heads throughout the two years when you notice the positioning of the type on the face panel (not the standard DR103 layout) and the unusual XLR switch input on the left of the front panel… take your time and zoom in on the pix and you’ll see that clearly throughout that two plus year period he was using the Custom Hiwatt 100 ‘Jimmy Page’ amps………… Im not about to dump my vintage Marshalls, they are killer, but the significance of this is that there was quite a long period of time covering many known bootleg shows that Page was using Hiwatt, not Marshall…. And if you REALLY listen to these shows you can hear the consistency of tone. Montreaux early ’70 is quite similar to L.A. Sept. ’70 (Blueberry Hill), even though the recording quality is different…


UNIQUE TONE...
The next important thing to talk about here is that Jimmy’s 100w Hiwatt did not sound like the typical Hiwatt DR103 of the day. Anyone who has played a stock early 100w Hiwatt will tell you that trying to get Royal Albert Hall or Montreaux tones out of one is extremely difficult. Those amps are way clean with a ton of headroom and even played on 10 they don’t seem to have the quality of tone you hear in the Zep recordings. They just don’t break up in the same way. Jimmy’s Hiwatt amp is much closer to typical plexi Marshall. The Hiwatt has a bit more cut and focus, but it still responds very much like a great plexi. Not high gain, but more saturation and softness than a standard DR103. That’s because Page’s circuit was different and not a standard production model at all. Hiwatt offered a few special features for artists and JP’s was very unusual. Only the power supply section is similar to a DR103, and even then there is a small departure from a normal DR103 which Eric included on my amp…


MY AMP...
It took a very long time to research and develop my amp but Eric and I were able to copy Page's very closely. We have photos of the inside of his actual amp (which I can’t post here, because they are not ours). And through research and many calls around the globe we got all the info and parts we needed to build this amp. A lot of tests were done and various tweaks were tried & employed to get as close as possible to JP’s unique amp. So my amp not only looks the part, but functions and sounds like Page’s!... The unusual circuit design allows for more gain than a standard 100w. Again, not high gain, but more typical of plexi gain and saturation… And my amp includes the bizarre footswitch that plugs into the XLR input on the front panel. The footswitch is simply a volume cut and the amount of cut is controlled by the balance knob. Also it acts as a cathode follower line out too. Meaning that if the amp were tied to another amp at the same time (which Jimmy did a lot), it would allow the balance to drive the other amps input. There are quite a few pictures out there that show this footswitch on the floor that many of us wondered what it was used for…. It’s the Hiwatt footswitch!

But it’s the tone of my amp that’s flooring me. I knew when we started this project, that we would have a cool look-alike amp, but I didn’t know if I was going to want to play the thing! Ive included some soundfiles..…. I can play this amp forever, I love it! In many ways it feels similar to my ’69 plexi, but it has a bit more of a ‘high fidelity’ character which I guess is typical of Hiwatt. Especially when you roll down and play clean. Listen to White Summer from Paris, October ’69 and you’ll hear that warm, fat tone Im talking about…. Played through old basketweaves, it’s a combination to die for!

RECENT BETTER QUALITY SOUNDFILES BELOW!

Eric has a killer home recording studio so I was finally able to record the amp properly. Here's a couple clips of me playing Moby and Eric playing Heartbreaker..... There is also a cool clip of Eric doing a piece of one of his originals where he set up the amp for more of a mid 70s Zep tone..... The guitar used was his Historic '60 reissue with a T-top in the bridge and two basketweave cabs with G12H30s and no attenuator....... Depending on amp settings and whether you use PAF type pickups or T-tops, a wide range of tones can be achieved.... for these files we used a T-top equipped guitar.... Excellent drumming by Mike Parsons and solid bass lines by Michael Turner..... Just give them a few seconds to open when you click on them.....

http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/Mobystudio.mp3
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/Heartstudio.mp3
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/Mercurystudio.mp3

More 'lo-fi' soundfiles recorded at home with a digital recorder:

http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/RWHeart.mp3
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/RWLemon.mp3
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/RWMoby.mp3
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed A/RWOhwell.mp3

We spared no expense when building this amp. Custom made Hiwatt style turret boards are filled with the correct original NOS mustard caps. NOS OEM original tube sockets, NOS UK Cliff jacks and fuse holders were used. Military spec closed pots (like the originals) and high end switches as well. Premium F&T cans with correct tolerances. The wire is solid core throughout like the originals. And the trannies are reverse engineered copies of the original Partridge transformers used on Hiwatts. Eric did an awesome job of following the meticulous layout and work of original Hiwatts. This thing is built like a brick shithouse!

Anyway, hope you got a kick out of this whole thing. For a guy that will be forever associated with Marshall it sure surprised me how much Hiwatt was a big part of Jimmy Page’s history as well…. Thanks again to Eric (albion) for bringing this beast to life, his work on this is the work of a true craftsman!!!...Hat’s off to him! Here are some detailed pix of my Page amp (#JPP001)….

MORE PICTURES OF MY PAGE AMP WILL FOLLOW BELOW...
 
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Ed A

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AND HERE ARE MORE PICTURES OF THE AMP....



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Just killer Ed!! Cool story, lots of work, great result.

Are Siemens the tubes Page used or Mullard? You know MUCH more than I ever hope to about Page's tone...especially in these Hiwatt years. It sounds to me however, that the soundfiles could use some bottom??? But what the hell do I know.

Great post bro!!!!
 

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Very cool Ed! Very cool tones! Still one missing ingredient IMO but you already know my take on that. I do agree with BFS that the low end seems just a tad loose. You certainly have the Page HiWatt info covered. Job well done!

There is a Marshall head in the RAH footage on the far right of the stage on the floor but maybe that is for the Theremin?
 

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Very cool Ed! Very cool tones! Still one missing ingredient IMO but you already know my take on that. I do agree with BFS that the low end seems just a tad loose. You certainly have the Page HiWatt info covered. Job well done!

There is a Marshall head in the RAH footage on the far right of the stage on the floor but maybe that is for the Theremin?


If youre talking about the missing ingredient of the pedal... absolutely... but Im just going for the part when he's not using the pedal... (like Heartbreaker in Montreaux)...

As far as the soundfiles go, they dont do it justice, the mics are fuzzy and the bottom end on this amp is huge! Which doesnt come across....
 

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Man.

Just an AWESOME post. Really stellar. I remember being stoked to hear that Jimmy was using HIWATTs at all, let alone all of this.

To paraphrase a JP HIWATT powered Zep show:

"That amp's fine lookin' man. She's somethin' else!"



You know what you need now, though. An SECOND JP Hiwatt and a custom built table for both of them!!:wail
 

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Beautiful work, Ed. The XLR footswitch function answers a few questions for me. I wonder if the Marshalls were modded in someway to provide a similar function?
 

Ed A

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Just killer Ed!! Cool story, lots of work, great result.

Are Siemens the tubes Page used or Mullard? You know MUCH more than I ever hope to about Page's tone...especially in these Hiwatt years. It sounds to me however, that the soundfiles could use some bottom??? But what the hell do I know.

Great post bro!!!!

Oh I just threw in Siemens because I didnt want to take the Mullards out of my plexi.... in time, I'll try a bunch of different tubes.... The amp has huge bottom in person, the files dont do it justice...
 

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Now that is awesome. I can't wait to hear the sound clips. Sounds (no pun intended) like all the hard work paid off. :salude

I played the latest English made Custom 20 with jwalker's stonebender a few times and absolutely loved it. I'm sure this amp is tone heaven.
 

Ed A

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There is a Marshall head in the RAH footage on the far right of the stage on the floor but maybe that is for the Theremin?


Yeah I believe thats a Sound City and yeah he most likely used that for the theramin... There are some other pix that show that head under the table...

Believe me this amp is a monster. The files just dont capture it. I havent even tried the tonebender in front of it yet, but Im sure it will rip....
 

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Great stuff Ed!

I've always been more a Hiwatt fan and always thought the Hiwatts were doing the theremin or echoplex duties.

The Hiwatts do benefit from a master volume, so there's no real surprise about more "gain" type sounds even without customizations.
 

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If youre talking about the missing ingredient of the pedal... absolutely... but Im just going for the part when he's not using the pedal... (like Heartbreaker in Montreaux)...

As far as the soundfiles go, they dont do it justice, the mics are fuzzy and the bottom end on this amp is huge! Which doesnt come across....

Recording a loud ass halfstack is some strange hoodoo. I can't tell you how many times I've had a Plexi, etc. CRANKED and filling up the tracking room, and in the mix it sounds downright Champ like. And many times I've rocked a SilverTone 1484 into a Marshall 4x10 and it sounds HUGE.
 

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Recording a loud ass halfstack is some strange hoodoo. I can't tell you how many times I've had a Plexi, etc. CRANKED and filling up the tracking room, and in the mix it sounds downright Champ like. And many times I've rocked a SilverTone 1484 into a Marshall 4x10 and it sounds HUGE.

I have no experiance in recording but from what ive heard from people who try to record with loud amps its all in the position of the microphone
 

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Ed, wow!
thanks so much for sharing that, I'm a long time Page fan too, and always liked his Hiwatt-era tone, but always wondered what kind of mods-specs his amps had because my stock DR103 was not going there.
I think I'll get another DR103 to mod it ala Page.. I love the combination of Plexi crunch and Hiwatt clarity, especially when you roll back a little the volume on the guitar.. sounds terrific.

are you playing it with your BW loaded with bass cone G12H?

Thanks again
 
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