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Junior Intonation

Yelly

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A stock modern tailpiece without ridges is acceptably close on my modern Junior. It may not work on every guitar. However, although I would love to have preserved a vintage look, I have to say that the Tonepros wraparound is better. It sounds clearer, rings longer, intonates perfectly and permanently. The only drawback is stringing up as you have to pass through 2 holes with a large gap in the middle. Tricky with the top E in particular.
 

fast ricky love

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mjcurtis said:
Another option is a custom-made wraptail bridge from Dan Erlewine, which combines fixed and accurate intonation with the approximate look of the originals. If you search in Dan's section of the Forum, there are photos of his prototype and final version bridges. The thread was posted by Dan, and titled
"I thought I should post this here..."

I'm VERY intregued by this... I did a search and couldn't find it... I'll see if I can get ahold of Dan...
 

hookstrapped

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I just got a '58 Junior that came with 09s and I changed to my regular set of 11s (11-14-18plain-28-38-50) and the intonation was spot-on.

It makes me wonder if the intonation problems I read about could somehow be connected to using lighter strings than the guiitar was designed for. Just speculating...
 

campark

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Well is an old thread. But had to share how i fixed my les paul jr dc wraparound bridge intonation issues. Feel like this is a big issue gibson buyers face with the wraparounds. Here is the story.

Bought a used lp junior dc tribute 2019. Sweet deal.. wondered why it was so cheap. From day one it never sounded right. Could not figure it out, so didnt play it for a couple years, honed my skills on my acoustic. Bought cheap amp after cheap amp all sounded just wrong. Left it sitting collecting dust.

Went and bought a katana mk2 50w on christmas sale. Thought this is a decent sounding amp finally my gibson can shine. Again sounds like shit. New strings still shit.

Intonation is off big time could never fix it. Ended up doing a ton of research as to proper setup, how to fix things, yada yada. Slowly i get my guitar into spec. Finally i think it is fixed. Years later, 2 setups were done at the l and m where i got it to only get it back with new strings back when i first got it. Is all they do. So i did it all myself. You wouldnt beleive the crap i went thru to get it where it was at that point only to plug in and still shit. The bridge was being pulled so far back the angle caused the high e and more strings to buzz like crazy, yet the intonation was still wrong and needed more. So i was kinda pissed off and stromed off to l and m as i thought it was a pure lemon. Pissed at the time i wasted to end up it being a lemon. Anyway the luthier at l and m, nice guy, agreed it was unfixable and i would have to buy a tone pros bridge replacement. Luckily at the time i was broke so i passed. Decided i would do it later. Took the guitar back home.

Long story lol, anyway, how i fixed it is i decided to try zeroing out the bridge screws instead of doing what makes common sense in my head i thought why the f not start from zero and see what it is like. As it is the angle thats causing me problems lets go with zero angle first. As it was already setup the way i like it with a straight neck the second i zeroed the screws out and the bridge popped into place flat. She was intonated. Not only that the connnection of the bridge to body in a flat manner solved the poor sound quality. She growls like a tiger and sings like a bird now. Night and day. Flat necks and zerod out bridge screws likely will open your eyes to the true sound of your les paul wrap around bridges.

As i researched how gibson makes guitars it didnt make sense to me how my guitar sounded so bad. It was the weak floating connection between the studs and the bridge when you try to pull it out too far with the screws... gibson makes their stuff with computers and its all designed to work beautifully with a striaght neck.
 
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