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### MICROwaving WOOD ###

FLICKOFLASH

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I HAVE DONE SOME EXPERMENTING MICROWAVING A GUITAR BODY.I WOULD SOAK IN WATER, MICROWAVE & REPEAT THE PROCESS OVER & OVER. THE WOOD WOULD BE STEAMING ON COMPLETION. THIS PROCESS SEEMED TO REMOVE RESIN, MINERIALS & MOISTURE CONTENT IN THE WOOD. IT ALSO SEEMED TO LOOSEN UP THE MAKE UP OF THE WOOD & CAUSE MICRO CRACKS AS WELL.( ALSO I USED BLEECH WATER TO FARTHER BREAK DOWN THE WOOD STRUCTURE & LIGHTEN THE WOOD) UPON COMPLETION THE BODY WAS LIGHTER IN WEIGHT & WAY MORE ALIVE(MORE RESONANT)HAVE I TAPPED INTO SOMETHING THE BIG BOYS SHOULD RESEARCH ?& DISCOVERED A UNTAPPED A NEW AGING PROCESS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLES FEEDBACK & OPINIONS>THANKS FLICKOFLASH {{{I HAVE MANY OTHER OFF THE WALL EXPERMENTS TO REVEAL LATER)}}}:)spin :)spin :hippy :)spin :hippy
 
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Evanjohnsfan

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Well this seems like an idea as good as any to make a bad piece of wood turn into a good piece of wood.

I was just wondering:
If a good player plays a crappy guitar : everything he plays sounds great.

If a lousy player fiddles a "great" guitar : what comes out is crap.

Just a shot in the dark : does the wood/electronics = the guitar really matter that much?

Do we have to buy a guitar and spend half of our lifes looking for the right pickups , microwave the wood , pray to the correct guitar God etc...?

Or is it mostly in our hands/skills ?

Oh , it was a joke .... ha ha ha , good one -
I bet a few % of the LPF memers planned to microwave their guitars.

This sounds a bit like the bidirectional chord thread some time ago.
That was funny to.
 
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Panic Kernel

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Evanjohnsfan said:

I bet a few % of the LPF memers planned to microwave their guitars.

My guitar wants me to microwave my member.
 

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Originally posted by Evanjohnsfan

I bet a few % of the LPF memers planned to microwave their guitars.


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My guitar wants me to microwave my member.


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I take it, all of these guitars have been microwaved?

OK, I'll fire up my oven.
what position and for how long do you recommend for a fat and heavy boatanchor 70ies Norlin? 24 hours?
 
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Originally posted by Evanjohnsfan

I bet a few % of the LPF memers planned to microwave their guitars.


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My guitar wants me to microwave my member.


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I take it, all of these guitars have been microwaved?

OK, I'll fire up my oven.
what position and for how long do you recommend for a fat and heavy boatanchor 70ies Norlin? 24 hours?
For the Norlin guitfiddles, make sure that the toggle switch is in the middle position and that the bridge tone is rolled all the way off. Then set the microwave for stun(t).
 

FLICKOFLASH

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REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MICRO (SOUND) WAVES(NOT APPLYED HEAT) APPLYED TO UNFINISHED GUITAR).I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD THE MORE A GUITAR PLAYS THE SWEETER IT SOUNDS>THE MINT GUITARS THAT SPEND YEARS IN THE CLOSET NEVER SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE (STEVIE RAY) GUITARS OF THE WORLD. THE GUITAR HAS INCREASED SUSTAIN & RESPONCE (FAR MORE ALIVE)
 
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Plankspanker

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There have been many an Acoustic builder that has put a portable radio in the guitars soundhole, and left it on until the batteries wore out. They feel the vibration from the sound waves helps cure the glue joints and loosen the wood,
This has been discussed on the Martin Forum before. Some say it works, some are critcal.
I would think one of those devices like in the acoustical lab in The Red Violin movie is whats needed. I would think moisture causes the wood to expand and hamper vibration, maybe thats not the case tho.
 

Yelly

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So that's what Jimi was doing with the lighter fluid....
 

sundaypunch

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FLICKOFLASH said:
REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MICRO (SOUND) WAVES(NOT APPLYED HEAT) APPLYED TO UNFINISHED GUITAR).I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD THE MORE A GUITAR PLAYS THE SWEETER IT SOUNDS>THE MINT GUITARS THAT SPEND YEARS IN THE CLOSET NEVER SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE (STEVIE RAY) GUITARS OF THE WORLD. THE GUITAR HAS INCREASED SUSTAIN & RESPONCE (FAR MORE ALIVE)

Microwaves aren't sound waves. It's an electromagnetic process that gets the water molecules jumping back and forth because they are polar. In theory it shouldn't be much different if at all than putting it in an oven (as in kiln-dried). I'm no wood expert but I would guess that this has been researched in some detail.

BTW, you must have a big-ass microwave to fit a guitar body in it!
 

FLICKOFLASH

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WEBSTER DICTIONARY:mi.cro.wave :ANY {{{{{ RADIO WAVE }}}}WITHIN A RANGE BETWEEN 300,000 &300 meagahertz .THOSE WAVELENGTHS CREATE GREAT HEAT WHEN THEY PASS THRU SUBSTANCES>OTHERS ARE USED TO TRANSMIT SIGNALS TO & FROM COMMUNICATIONS SATELLITES.
 
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sundaypunch

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FLICKOFLASH said:
WEBSTER DICTIONARY:mi.cro.wave :ANY {{{{{ RADIO WAVE }}}}WITHIN A RANGE BETWEEN 300,000 &300 meagahertz .THOSE WAVELENGTHS CREATE GREAT HEAT WHEN THEY PASS THRU SUBSTANCES>OTHERS ARE USED TO TRANSMIT SIGNALS TO & FROM COMMUNICATIONS SATELLITES.

How much sound does your microwave make? You are referring to a specific range of frequencies that define microwaves. They are well beyond anything audible so it's a stretch to think of them as sound waves. You'd be better off setting the guitar in front of a stereo speaker for a couple of decades if you are trying to season the wood by having it resonate in front of a wall of sound.

I understand what you are saying, my point is just that you really aren't doing anything different than if you kiln dried the lumber. The microwave is causing the + and - ends of the water molecules to flip flop at the specifed frequency / cycles per second. This generates heat in the water as opposed to some kind of resonance. Non polar materials (like your glass plate) won't heat up. The microwave is just a quicker and less controllable way to do it. I don't know but I would think that most guitar mfg's would rather season wood quickly like this if it actually worked.

I still want to know how you got a guitar body in a microwave?
 

FLICKOFLASH

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KILM DRYED WOOD DRYS FROM THE OUTER CORE INWARD SEALING SOME PORES AS IT DRYS> MICROWAVING HEATS MORE EVENLY CAUSING THE PORES TO OPEN ACTUALLY STEAMING REMOVING RESINS & MINERALS(ITS IN THE RAPID ESCAPE OF MOISTURE NOT SLOW DRYING)>I ALSO MENTIONED MICROWAVING & REHYDRATING & REPEATING THE PROCESS( NOT JUST THE DRYING OF THE WOOD )RESONONATING FEQUENCYS LOOSEN THE WOOD FIBERS MAKING IT MORE RESPONSIVE !HIGHER FEQUENCYS= MORE VIBRATIONS= MORE RESAULTS(MICROWAVES COME IN HOME USE SIZES BIG ENOUGH FOR A TURKEY & IM NOT SURE HOW BIG COMMERCIAL UNITS ARE,>.A UNIT COULD BE MADE BIG ENOUGH TO DO WHOLE GUITARS ONCE RESEARCH PROVES ITS FACT> I SUGGEST YOU DOING A EXPEREMENT WITH SOME PIECES OF WOOD BEFORE BEING SO CRITICAL!THIS IS NO JOKE JUST REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WHO WOULD OF THOUGHT WE BE PAYING BIG BUCKS FOR SOMEONE TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF OUR GUITAR,OXIDYE THE HARDWARE< CHECK THE FINISH & CALL IT A RELIC!
 
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HOLY FUCK COULD YOU STOP WRITING EVERYTHING IN BOLD FUCKING LETTERS????

it makes a half-nuts hypothesis that much more difficult to read :)
 

throwback

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Bolero said:
HOLY FUCK COULD YOU STOP WRITING EVERYTHING IN BOLD FUCKING LETTERS????

it makes a half-nuts hypothesis that much more difficult to read :)

I can't read anymore. All my rods and cones have exploded.

:wow :lol2
 

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MESSAGE FROM ADMINISTRATOR

Please read post "Annoucement Forum Rules & Regulations" PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION AT HAND GO AWAY!
 
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I give in

FLICKOFLASH said:
......HAVE I TAPPED INTO SOMETHING THE BIG BOYS SHOULD RESEARCH ?& DISCOVERED A UNTAPPED A NEW AGING PROCESS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLES FEEDBACK & OPINIONS>THANKS FLICKOFLASH {{{I HAVE MANY OTHER OFF THE WALL EXPERMENTS TO REVEAL LATER)}}}

OK, you converted me on the microwave thing. When are you going to reveal your other off the wall experiments?
 
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no, I honestly tried reading your notes but it is so annoying the way you leave the upper case letters on, I gave up trying to read it. I am actually interested in what you have to say.

I think a request for clearer communication is relevant to "the discussion at hand", thank you very much.
 

GlassSnuff

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I agree with Bolero. Using only uppercase has always been considered rude on the Internet. It's particularly hard to read on a black background.

"MICROWAVING HEATS MORE EVENLY" - FF

Could it be you're not even old enough to have cooked your own TV dinners? :wow
 
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